Would people who have no knowledge of military matters stop making silly suggestions


NZSAS after operation in Kabul to sort out some Taliban ratbags

David Farrar opines about Vernon Small’s article?that New Zealand sends military transport and not our highly skilled SAS to Syria and Iraq.

But first lets address Small’s report.

Prime Minister John Key says New Zealand could offer the airforce’s “airlift capacity” as part of a contribution to the international military action against Islamic State (IS) militants.

The extremist Islamic group, also known as Isil, and Isis, has rapidly moved to control and destabilise Iraq, sweeping in from Syria in the north. The group has beheaded aid workers, journalists and carried out crucifixions and mass executions.

Key is also signalling that Cabinet will tomorrow take the first step towards cracking down on New Zealanders who go to fight alongside IS, by extending the time passports can be cancelled and by making fighting with IS an explicit criminal act.

Speaking on TV One’s Q+A programme, Key said a range of options were being considered for New Zealand involvement in the IS conflict but more work was needed before a final decision.

Any action should be “useful, practical and work”, he said. That could range from humanitarian action, which was already under way, and include military options such as training, “to ultimately people who would be there right on the front line”.

“The last bit is some sort of military support, but not necessarily people on the ground, so it could be airlift capability.”

Let’s look at the stupidity of that suggestion, from Key and reported by Vernon Small. ?

The only airlift capability that we have is 5 (FIVE!) C-130H Hercules…which were delivered to our Air?Force?between 1965 and 1968. Just five…which in reality is more like 4 because one will be in service pretty much all year round. Frankly they are clapped out and obsolete, so much so the Air Force is looking for replacement in 2018. Removing just one of them to foreign fields puts a severe strain on our ability to mount air sea searches, deliver emergency supplies to the Pacific and a host of other tasks. On top of that they just are not that compatible any more with requirements on the modern battlefield. For a large scale operation in Iraq?and Syria the US would be relying much more on bigger and more modern aircraft and having an orphan in service would hinder operations rather than help.

About the only asset the NZ Defence Forces have that is of any use in Iraq and Syria are actually our SAS. They are amongst the best war fighter int he world, if not the best. They just get the job done with minimum fuss and bother and maximum damage to the enemy. In an insurgency it is them that is needed not lumbering old buckets of bolts.

Which brings me to David Farrar and his squeamishness over a bit of terrorist blood.

I?m very against sending actual combat troops such as the SAS in. But something such as airlift capability sounds a good way of supporting the effort, without risking getting bogged down in a long-term conflict with no exit strategy.

So he is against the guys that do the wet work, but all for sending assistance that lets other people do the wet work…think about that for a moment. What David Farrar is saying is it isn’t ok to pull the trigger but it is ok to send equipment and assist other people to pull the trigger.

His claims about being bogged down are spurious. We had no trouble exiting Afghanistan or Iraq previously…we packed up and left. Nothing has changed now. Cabinet meets, they make a decision to leave, issue the orders, job done.

His squeamishness is nauseating. I would have though someone with his family heritage would understand about the necessity of standing up to Islamic bullying and terrorism. Someone has to do the wet work. If no one does it they win. It’s that simple.

Send the SAS then the job will be done properly.


– Fairfax, Kiwiiblog