So who is in favour of CIR?

I object to the loons who push for Binding Citizen Initiate Referenda.

They think that they are acting democratically and are just but the reality is that they ignore our representative democracy and in many cases reject it utterly.

Mostly they are single issue nutters with a particular cause to push and see BCIR as a way to do that.

Colin Craig entertained these nutters and most coalesce around his cult party.

But CIR around the world is often used as a bully pulpit. California is one such case, where a CIR loon is trying to get a proposition across the line that would allow the state to mass kill homosexuals.

California has always done democracy a bit differently than most other states. Every other year, voters in the Golden State cast ballots not just for people to represent them, but for many of the actual laws that govern them. It’s not quite the ancient Athenian model of citizens gathering on a hill to make decisions, but it’s a version of direct democracy deeply-embedded in California’s political culture. Over the years, voters have answered for themselves weighty questions of taxation, same-sex marriage, election laws, and the legalization of marijuana, among many others. ??

Yet that system is now facing something of a threat from an attorney named Matthew McLaughlin, who wants to use the ballot initiative to authorize the mass murder of gays and lesbians. He has formally proposed the Sodomite Suppression Act, which refers to homosexuality as “a monstrous evil” and an “abominable crime against nature.” It would ban communicating messages of tolerance to minors; bar gays and lesbians, or anyone who voices acceptance, from holding government jobs or public office; and authorize mass murder:

Seeing that it is better that offenders should die rather than that
all of us should be killed by God’s just wrath against us for the folly
of tolerating wickedness in our midst, the People of California wisely
command, in the fear of God, that any person who willingly touches another
person of the same gender for purposes of sexual gratification be put to
death by bullets to the head or by any other convenient method.

The fear isn’t that McLaughlin’s proposal would ever pass?he is highly unlikely to secure anywhere close to the 365,880 signatures needed merely to get the referendum on next year’s ballot, much less to secure a majority at the polls. And the courts would immediately throw out the law, as they have with a number of less extreme measures that Californians have approved. But the mere possibility that McLaughlin could get formal clearance from state officials to begin collecting signatures for a genocidal proposition is raising questions about California’s permissive ballot initiative system.

Now that McLaughlin has paid his $200 fee and submitted his proposal, state Attorney General Kamala Harris must provide an official title and summary, so that he can begin the arduous?and surely foolhardy?process of persuading his fellow citizens to sign their names to it. This is generally a formality, and legal experts have said in recent weeks that Harris has no other choice but to process McLaughlin’s proposal.

How sick is that…I’m sure a large number of Colin Craig’s supporters would applaud this though.

California has had more than a few of these sorts of proposals too.

The state has provided titles for plenty of other long-shot, kooky, and even offensive ballot measures over the years, according to a database maintained at the University of California-Irvine. A venture capitalist spent millions of dollars to gain support for a proposal to split California into six different states, but it failed to qualify for the 2016 ballot. Another would-be ballot initiative would have banned divorce. In 2013, evangelical pastor Allen Estes tried collecting signatures for a constitutional amendment that would expand protections for “speech based on biblical authority.” (According to the awkwardly-worded text, anyone quoting from the Bible would be free?or freer than they are now?to say anything about such topics as “anti-Semitism, astrology, bestiality, bigamy… transgender, trans-sexuality, yoga, or sin.”)

This is the major problem with CIR initiatives…mostly they are promoted by loons, with wonky questions for which there is no sane answer.

Do we really want to push further along these lines? …we already saw Labour and the Greens try and re-litigate the 2011 election in this way with their own referendum on asset sales.


– The Atlantic