Whaleoil transcript: Part Three of four – Leighton Smith & Simon Bridges on the UN Global Compact & the foreign buyer ban

Leighton Smith

Newstalk ZB ? Part three

Michael

..on this current United Nations Global Compact on migration.? I?m specifically concerned about the fact that aah? Winston Peters and the Labour Party have basically been palming it off and saying oh, we haven?t made up our mind yet when 99% of people believe that they have made up their mind, and they?re going to be signing it within the next few days, and my other concern is that you, although you?ve come out as? as the National Party and? against it, it?s only been in the last? like week and this thing?s been on the table for five or six months and it?s going to be signed in a couple of weeks so where?s the consultation with the people of NZ?

Leighton

One question for you, Michael, quickly, is when did you first become aware of it?

Michael

I only become aware of it about three or four weeks ago.

Leighton

Exactly? exactly.

Simon

And I?m the same. And I think, you know, this is the Winston look, ?Oh well, you guys started this?. No, we entered into negotiations, we?ll always do that. We?ve had a look at it, we don?t like it, we?re not going to support it. We are going to pull out of it.?

Leighton

Why don?t you like it?

Simon

Ultimately, in one word: sovereignty. I think it does away with our independent rights to set our own migration and foreign policies.

Leighton

Yes, but it?s? but it?s non-binding.

Simon

Well, you and I both know that what is non-binding doesn?t mean that it doesn?t have an effect. And there?s a lot of ?musts? there?s a lot of ?commits? there?s a lot of commitments in that document and we know, I know certainly as a lawyer, the courts will start interpreting it as though it is our law?

Leighton

How would they? how would they do that?

Simon

Well they use it as an aid in cases, they?ll say ?well New Zealanders signed up to this?.? It?s non-binding but it?s (an) interpretation tool that we need to take into account. We shouldn?t sign up to something that we are kind of not into, and we think won?t have an effect. I think over time it will, and we?ll pull out of it.

Leighton

All right, so I want this? I want this on the table now because I?m still going to be active come the next election. Not here, but I?ll still be active come the next election. I want to know that the um? the minute that you do? if you do win power at the next election, this will be one of the first things you do, is cancel out of this.

Simon

We will cancel it.? I?m not going to give you a first week, first month or something, I promise you we will pull out of it.

Leighton

What if the rest of the party says no? As you were saying before, or? or if other people say no?

Simon

Well, they will not. We?ve made a commitment, we?ll keep our commitments.

Leighton

Ray, good morning.

Ray

Good morning Leighton, good morning Simon.

Simon

Good morning.

Ray

I?ve got a question about the National Party: it?s ethos. What has happened to your principles? They seem to have disappeared so that you just get into power and do stuff you want to do, but you don?t have any principles anymore.

Simon

No, I don?t agree with that. Look, I think there?s a difference between values and modernising them. Look I? Leighton and I effectively had that barney earlier on in the show. I say the values of the National Party go back to the 30s about um? individual self-reliance, competition? um? ah? all of those things? they are still our fundamental values and principles.

Leighton

We don?t hear much about it.

Simon

Well, I?m happy to take about those things. I can tell you straight up I believe in a couple of big things, number one: less government, I think we?re better as kiwis to get on with our life; and number two: actually, less handouts, making sure you?re really helping those who need it through what Bill English called social investment but not the big ?spray and walk away? policies we?ve seen under this government, like free fees.

Ray

So as regards private property, would you repeat? repeal what sort of stuff they?re going to put forward as Labour etc? greens are going to put forward regarding rental property?

Simon

Yes. Yeah, I?m sure we will.

Ray

Because that would really need to be looked at doesn?t it? It?s really bad.

Simon

Yes. Well it?s the?

Leighton

Well Ray, note that Mr Bridges said ?I?m sure we will? didn?t say we would.

Simon

Well we will.

Simon

Come on? you?re getting all semantic on me here Leighton?

Leighton

No, no, no? semantics are very important in politics.

Ray

Absolutely. Thank you, Simon, thank you.

Simon

Good oh.

Leighton

Appreciate it, thank you.

Simon

Can I just say on that though, look we have gone hard on this government on the cost and compliance they?ve put on, whether it?s the foreign buyer ban, foreign investment, whether it?s around letting fees, and we will repeal those things, we will change them.

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