Whaleoil transcript: Part two of two – Mike Hosking Jacinda Ardern on the UN Global Compact, government reviews & Whanau Ora

Mike Hosking.

Newstalk ZB ? Part two of two

Starts at 13.44

Mike

Okay, let?s deal with some other stuff really quickly if we can. ?This UN migration thing in?

Jacinda

Compact.

Mike

In Marrakesh? are we signing it or not?

Jacinda

So that?s a ceremonial event, so the 17th is when it needs to be decided by? we?ve sought a little more? there?s been questions raised over whether this impacts our ability to manage our own borders? of course the Compact itself says no question we maintain our national sovereignty?

Mike

Does your gut, as you sit here this morning, indicate that you kind of want to?

Jacinda

Yep, my gut says that based on what?s on paper this does not affect our ability to manage our own migration. Mike, I would not sign something that took away our sovereign right to manage our own immigration, but because there has been even the smallest shred of doubt cast on that by people who are opposed to it, we are going to seek some information to ah? to validate what we believe.

Mike

So, hand on heart, we will not lose control of our borders?

Jacinda

Hand on heart, I would not sign anything that gave away our ability to manage our own borders.

Mike

Okay, 206 reviews $700,000 a day, ah? that?s what National says, you say that?s rubbish?

Jacinda

Sounds like typical politicians having a debate?

Mike

What is the number a day?

Jacinda

Ah? well? so the number of enquiries? I haven?t worked out the individual cost but the number of enquiries or pieces of work in that realm, state services has put it at about 41, the rest I would qualify as business as usual. So, for instance, Simon Bridges has included in there the overall cost of the Royal Commission into (inaudible) so that?s quite costly. Pike River is in there and that?s also quite costly.

Mike

But if they?ve got 700 out there a day and you can?t counter that, it?s 700.

Jacinda

Oh, he said based on what, 200? I?m saying there are not 200. There are 41.

Mike

So, what?s the cost of 41?

Jacinda

Oh, look, I?d have to go and add the individual 41 but it?s definitely not what the opposition have said.

Mike

Whanau Ora, $600,000 left over, as a concept is it fair enough if I bid for work and I do it, and have money left over, to keep that money or should it go back and should?

Jacinda

So, look, from what I?ve seen, nothing has broken the rules here, the old contract is, from my recollection, as set up under the last government which allowed those incentive payments, so look, you know it all appears to be legitimate?

Jacinda

That?s not the question.

Mike

Does it worry you that someone can come and do a job and still have $600,000 left over? And you go, well hang on?

Jacinda

It was an incentive payment that the last government set up with Whanau Ora.

Mike

So, you?re still happy with it?

Jacinda

Oh, look no, the minister has said he is looking at the way that some of those arrangements work for Whanau Ora but I don?t think it?s fair to say that there?s been any impropriety here.

Mike

Are there people, no I?m not arguing impropriety I?m just saying are there people able to tender for work at a level that they understand that they?re going to get a little bit of profit of it and be able to pocket it at the end of the day?

Jacinda

That was the way, the? as I say, the incentives payment was structured under the last government for Whanau Ora, it?s something that they obviously determined, that that was how they wanted them to run it and? as I say the minister is taking a look.

Mike

Do you? are you of a mind to change it?

Jacinda

Oh, look? look the minister has already said that he?s got dissatisfaction with the way it is working.

Mike

Okay, well, listen, I?m done for the year and you can carry on.

Jacinda

Go well, I will carry on.? I have a gift. Life would not be complete without me giving you this gift. I?d like you to describe it please to your listeners.

Mike

Okay. Well I have a gift for you too.

Jacinda

Well thank you.? And thank you for the tinsel that you?ve used to bond it.

Mike

There?s tinsel and there?s um? and there?s candy and there?s a card so um?

Jacinda

I?ll open mine as well.

Mike

So, you want to open yours first or second?

Jacinda

Okay, I?ll open mine first. It?s? it?s a tee-shirt. It is a tee-shirt that says ??Don?t touch the Hosk? and it?s a lovely picture of Mike with what appears to be a vacuum cleaner. It?s lovely.

Mike

It is indeed. And that, to be fair is an extremely limited edition and that?s one of only about a dozen in the world and we?re featuring them as a marketing exercise next year and you have one of one.

Jacinda

Thank you.

Mike

This image is one of me and you together Jacinda, on lime scooters. It?s absolutely fantastic, thank you so much.

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