Whaleoil transcript: Sean Plunket & Dr Jordan B Peterson on Auckland Peace Action & other anti-free speech dullards

“CRAZY ol Val gets down and dirty with poop” Valerie Morse Auckland Peace Action

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Sean

And we are with Dr Jordan B Peterson, cultural phenomenon, and according to Auckland Peace Action the biggest threat to New Zealand?s way of life and civilisation, that oh, don?t know, since we?ve seen since the last earthquake. They came out earlier this week and threw a lot of labels at Dr Peterson and their spokesman, Iris, or spokesperson, Iris, came on with me yesterday simply so I could ask them to, well, provide the proof of their accusations. Um.. I didn?t think he did that well, or they did that well, Jordan?

Jordan

Oh, well it was quite a remarkable interview. I think that? I don?t know how many people watched it, or listened to it, but I suspect quite a few and it?s no wonder because it?s? um? a real feat of journalistic persistence, I would say, on your part. You didn?t let your interviewee off the hook for a moment and there wasn?t much content there. There was a lot of exactly the same sort of thing that?s been happening for the last two years. Really quite appalling and what seems to happen generally in the journalistic sphere, on the negative side for me, is there?s a list of epithets that are? it?s like all the radical leftists have a list of epithets that are sort of ?at hand.? Maybe they have them on a little sticky on their computer. Misogynist, homophobe, Islamophobe, transphobe, ah? bigot, racist? ah? then there?s often some Nazi ah?.

Sean

Don?t forget your cocaine addiction, either.

Jordan

(Indistinct) or there?s Jewish shill which is another one that comes up now and then. And the idea seems to be that if you don?t agree with what someone says that you just lay out the longest list of pejoratives that your imagination, your collective imagination, can generate and hope that one of them is sufficiently true in some sense because of something you once said, that it sticks. And you?re done. And it?s?. it?s getting downright dull. I mean?

Sean

Well Jordan I?d say, it seems to me that liberal journalists throughout the western world have been lining up to try and take you down.

Jordan

Oh, well I?ve had a fair number of journalists who?ve been supportive of me. Now whether or not they are on the liberal side. They?re certainly not on the radical left side. Yes, this has been happening pretty much non-stop for two years. And they are basically out of insults as far as I can tell. Which in some sense disarms them. But they are actually getting rather dull to read because it?s always the same old thing. Although the person you interviewed yesterday did have a new twist which was ?greatest threat to the civilisation of New Zealand.? Which was really quite impressive as far as pejoratives went.

Sean

All right. So, we?ve dealt with Auckland Peace Action. I know you are in Australia now. Has the, if you like, the virulent opposition to you, for whatever reason, is it starting to subside? And I know there haven?t been protesters, I understand, so far in Australia?

Jordan

There was a few in Adelaide, about 25, and they? it wasn?t exactly clear what they were protesting. They seemed to be more? ah? concerned about homosexual rights? ah? which I really don?t know what that has to do with me but it had to do with whatever they were interested in protesting. But there was nothing in Melbourne at all, but there was quite a large police presence at the venue. Well, there were a lot of people there, about 5500 people but there wasn?t a single protester. And I would say that, yes, overall the virulence and also the frequency of the hit pieces in the media is? has declined rather precipitously in the last three or four months. And I think it is because? well, because it?s become dreadfully repetitious. And because no smoking pistol of any sort has emerged. You know, people have gone over virtually everything I?ve said to students for the last 20 years because almost all of it is recorded, and scoured by twitter feed and my facebook and, you know, all the social media platforms that are useable platforms, and haven?t been able to find anything so far that?s of sufficient reprehensibility to take my reputation out.

Sean

But the diet?s a bit weird Jordan, now come on?

Jordan

Yeah well?. Yeah well, it?s not just a bit weird, it?s? it?s very weird. But, you know, it?s not something I (indistinct).

Sean

All right. I want to go back two years and in many ways I look at you and if I was going to put you in a fable, you?re the guy who said ?The emperor has no clothes?. The emperor of wokeness, of political correctness, of third wave feminism. Did you plan? two years ago, to be where you are now? A cultural? global cultural phenomenon? Was it all part of some? some clever manipulation of, you know, modern social media? Or did you just stand up and say ?I?m not going to do this??

Jordan

 Well, I mean, I was writing a book and I was hoping it would be successful, so there was that. And you know, I had been experimenting quite substantially with ah? with utube? putting my lectures from the university on utube, and some lectures I had done for a small television show. And they were developing a certain following so I had about 1 million views far before the political controversy hit. But, no, I mean there?s no way of predicting what happened. It?s, it?s a completely unpredictable phenomenon. But I can say that I said what I felt like saying as far as I possibly could. And I?d pretty much had enough of it. I mean, seriously I?ve had enough of it.

And I?m not happy with the radical leftists. I think the post-modern philosophy is ? um? what intellecturally vapid, nihilistic, malevolent, destructive, arrogant and narcissistic? impractical as well? all at the same time. I think that what is happening to the humanities and social sciences is? borders on fraudulently criminal. If it hasn?t already passed the line. And I am absolutely no friend whatsoever of radical leftist utopians. I? I? I feel that there?s after a hundred years of evidence? of complete bloody catastrophe on this side of the radical left, um? it?s time for us to wake up and notice that something has gone wrong on that end of the spectrum. And I don?t see any responsibility being taken for that at all.

You know, I?ve called publicly for the moderate leftist types, whom I have some sympathy for, to draw some lines. It?s like, alright we know that things can go too far on the left. When, exactly? Where is it that you go too far? Now, my sense it?s with the equity doctrine which I think is not really emotionally powerful, unfortunately, it doesn?t have that kick that is necessary to make something stick in the memory. But I think the idea of equality of outcome is dangerous beyond comprehension.

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