Whaleoil transcript part 2: Leighton Smith & Olivia Pierson on Western civilisation

Leighton:

Let me read you something.

“Freedom of speech laws were first created for the sole purpose of protecting controversial speech. It became a civilizational hallmark of a free society and still is. If all speech were harmonious, warm and fuzzy, there would be no need to protect it via the law. The use of controversial speech, the speech that those who rule over us are now seeking to reclassify as illegal, hate speech, is a fundamental right of people living within a country which values liberty. Right now, prominent NZ bureaucrats are calling loudly for controversial speech to be reclassified as hate speech.”

Recognize that?

Olivia:

I do recognise that.

Leighton:

You wrote it in your blog on the 27th of… on the 27th of March.

Olivia:

Yes, yes, I did.

Leighton:

What chance do you think they’ve… let’s assume that they’re going to be determined… gun laws already, speech laws are being… are being pushed, hustled along, what chance do you think they’ve got of achieving it?

Olivia:

Ah, well, if the rest of um, Europe and ah… England are anything to go by they’ve got every chance. We know our friend, even in Australia, Andrew Bolt, got slapped with a hate speech back in…

Leighton:

And conviction.

Olivia:

And conviction back in 2011. And um… so once… once the government make the Human Rights Act supreme law… then that’s exactly what we end up with. It can trump our bill of rights, which is appalling. Our bill of rights lets us have freedom of speech so beautifully, it’s robust and we’re allowed to disseminate any ideas, any opinions of any kind, um… and that’s the way it should be. It’s what the American founding fathers fought for in the first amendment and every country has copied since. And now it’s going to be overturned because of weak spirited, hurty feelings.

Leighton:

I’ve got one challenge for you.  As things have changed, as we’ve got technology, as we’ve got um Facebook and google and um… um… everything else. So, it has become… well everything’s gone in a… in a… shall we say in a… there’s been a ripple effect. These things are invented, they’re introduced, um… and then I would throw in… morals, simply because there were massive changes in… in… in the moral approach to life over a few decades. So, everything has moved dramatically from when things were more stable. It has become… the F word now…is I mean, who cares? You know?

Olivia:

Yeah.

Leighton:

So, and then you got the MF word. All I’m… all I’m trying to say… is express how things have changed so much.

Olivia:

It’s as if the standard of decency just dropped.

Leighton:

You’ve got a way with words.

Olivia:

Yeah.

Leighton:

So, that’s absolutely correct. Now with that drop in decency, and this is something that I worked out a while ago, as things change, as….. freedom, if you want, exercises itself in undesirable ways, so you need more laws to try and control it.

Olivia:

I’m not sure about that Leighton. I… I… I think the condition… human beings, and this is a universal and it goes back to um, the dawn of our species, human beings flourish and thrive under certain conditions. And, those conditions are liberty, freedom and the protection of certain rights. Inalienable rights, as Jefferson called them, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, or life, liberty and property. If you give human beings those rights and you let them um, speak freely and debate ideas um, we tend to move toward progress and I think things get better for us.

I think what’s happened to explain this drop-in decency that you’re talking about is that, the wrong ideas got through into our universities, into our schools, and, like you were saying before, children are not taught. Even young adults are not taught proper history on where we got our civilisation from, what the greatest values of our civilisation are, they’re not taught those, in fact they’re taught to hate them. They’re taught to tear them down which is, you know, is critical theory, taught in every single university in the west um, is you are encouraged only to criticise.

Leighton:

Yes, but do you think some… some people get confused between critical theory and critical thinking?

Olivia:

Yes, I do think they get um… well the critical theorists try to pass off their theories as critical thinking, but it’s not. It’s very biased, hateful thinking toward values. They are valueless nihilists, and that’s who’s run our universities now, for a long time, and this is why we see children with blue hair and metal in every orifice that say the F word and the C word and the mofo word every five minutes. Although I can’t judge, my language isn’t the greatest myself. But I try.

Leighton:

Well, I haven’t heard you falter yet.

Olivia:

I’m on my best behaviour.

Leighton:

But just quickly. With kids, we know that kids get bullied on Facebook etc. Kids even kill themselves as a result of the bullying and the effect it has on them.

Olivia:

Horrible.

Leighton:

So, how can, how can one argue against the government passing laws that prevent that sort of thing and try and control it? Surely, they are doing the right thing.

Olivia:

Well, we already have laws which can prevent… um, incitement to violence or incitement to suicide. We have laws that that is not allowed. Um, so bringing in more and more laws, eventually you actually have to teach your children to be strong in spirit, strong in mind and to resist um, the violent calls of nobodies, and teach them not to care so much about what other people think of them. You know it’s imperative that we do this. It’s called having a strong spirit and a strong mind, and we’ve become so weak.

Leighton:

Yes. But then again, you see I could travel down this same road and say, well, families have disintegrated in so many cases. There isn’t the backup, there isn’t the care, there isn’t the… and so kids are on their own.

So then the schools have to take over much more of their development and you just covered that.

Olivia:

Well, I mean, and also you mentioned the families and this is one of the things that cultural Marxism and critical theory has done, it’s overturned the family unit. As if the… you know, as if the family unit is some sort of old-fashioned irrelevant um, springboard into life. We know, really, we know it’s the best springboard into life for children to have a mother and a father that love each other and co-parent them and bring them up. Um, I would like to see feminists argue a lot more or swing back toward valuing women in the home… valuing the job of motherhood – what could be more important? Um, Mary Wolstonecraft um… you know, kicked off um, women’s rights during the French Revolution and um, she challenged men um, to move over and make room for the education of the female mind, on the basis that women were the educators of the young and that if women were raised by intelligent educated women, your society would be a lot better and you’ll end up with a whole lot more women who are markedly better than just being, ornamentally useless and weak, um, which women were, you know I…

Leighton:

Is that you?

Olivia:

Ornamentally useless and weak?

Leighton:

No, no, I mean the opposite.

Olivia:

Um, well I had a wonderful mother and a wonderful grandmother. They were great women so it’s easy for me. I came from a… a great example of a… of quite strong women. But they… none of them were feminists, interestingly enough. They were not into that. Um, they never needed a movement to give them permission to be what they wanted to be. They just did it. Um, and I think the feminist movement ah, makes way to big a claim for itself. Um, really, it’s just a hate men movement now and I want nothing to do with it.

Leighton:

Very intriguing. Western Values Defended, where can we get it.

Olivia:

You can go to my website which is oliviapierson.org that’s p-i-e-r-s-o-n, and that link will take you through to Amazon.com to buy my book, where you can read the best values of our civilisation, because we need to protect them, they must be protected. And be proud of our civilisation, it’s wonderful. You know, we’ve lived in the most remarkable time in human history, and we should be proud of it. We should stop apologising for what our culture has brought us.

Leighton:

Yes, more volume to your voice.  Olivia Pierson, p-i-e-r-s-o-n, Western Values Defended – you can buy it online, it’s only a small book.

Olivia:

It’s a primer.

Leighton:

It is exactly 70 odd pages but for kids in particular as they’re say, entering high school, absolute gold.

Olivia:

And teachers.

Leighton:

Appreciate your time.

Olivia:

Thank you very much Leighton.


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