No, just no


The left-wing’s latest cause celebre is to lower the voting age despite all the evidence to the contrary that young people simply don’t vote.

Their reasoning, if you can call it that, is that if we let them vote earlier then they will form a good habit about voting. I’m not kidding, read it:

Lowering the age to 16 gives us the best chance to ingrain voting as a habit. Many teens aged 16 to?18 are still?at school and can be given a forum to discuss and debate ideas and opinions.

Arguments against the move?seem to focus on a so-called lack of full development and apparent tendency for teens to simply mirror their parents’ thoughts. ? Read more »

Serious Voter fraud revealed in Australia

We revealed on Whaleoil that “extreme left wing, hate speech blogger, ” Martyn Bradbury (or as we like to call him Martyn Martin ) was enrolled to vote twice at the last election. One enrollment was for Martin Bradbury and the other for Martyn Bradbury. For the two enrollments to occur two separate forms had to be filled out and individually mailed in so it cannot be dismissed as someone else’s mistake. We have no evidence that he actually used this ” error ” to vote twice but simply brought to the public’s attention that the potential for voter fraud was there because of the double enrollment.

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A newbie voter’s take on Auckland’s local body elections

Q: ?What is your first impression of the process?

Answer: ?I understood ticking the person you want but having to rate them I found slightly annoying. What is the point of the ranking system anyway? Why can’t you just pick the people you want? When I was at high school we had to rank our preferences for ?extra subjects like woodwork. It always resulted in me being enrolled in classes that I didn’t really want because you don’t always get your first pick.

Q: ? How did you decide who to vote for?

A: ?If someone mainly talked about themselves and their qualifications rather than what they were going to do I dismissed them immediately. The whole point is what they are going to do. I am not interested in their qualifications, what school they went to or what experience they have. I want to know what they are going to fix and/or change. ?If they associate with the unions and think that Cuba’s socialist revolution is good (nobody likes Cuba ) then just no. Also if they are a Pisces ( Vic Crone )

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You must vote, says Brigitte


You could be forgiven for thinking local government is a bit of a joke.

In 2013 Auckland had the worst voter turnout in the whole country – just 35 percent of people voted, 89 percent of them were over 70.

But the influence of local councils is wide-ranging, and important.

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Good, online voting axed

I’m not a fan of online voting.

Local Government minister Louise Upston has axed a plan to have online voting in eight council elections in November .

Councillors in Wellington, Porirua, Masterton, Rotorua, Matamata Piako, Palmerston North, ?Whanganui and?Selwyn had voted to offer online voting as an option. And Local Government NZ was actively promoting it as a vehicle to boost participation as recently as January. They have now been over-ruled.

It was always pitched as a “trial” ? presumably to make it less intimidating from a PR perspective ? but it was going to be the real thing: Online votes in November would have been legal and binding. It would have been better termed a pilot.

?Security testing has been planned but has not yet occurred. Without seeing the results of testing we cannot be confident the systems are secure enough, and the trial could not be authorised,” Ms Upston says. The system needs more work, she says. ? Read more »

Seymour responds to silly Cindy

David Seymour replied to Jacinda Ardern’s ludicrous suggestion that we lower the voting age.

Jacinda’s idea of lowering the voting age and getting state schools to teach civics was also proposed by the Greens’ Sue Bradford in 2007. ?I’m guessing both would like young people to start voting under the watchful eye of the state education system. ?They mustn’t think that parents can adequately prepare kids for civic duty. ?They want young people in government-run civics class on Friday and voting on Saturday.

If you believe that voting is about getting the government to give you what you want, taken from other taxpayers, then it all makes perfect sense. ?The Labour Party plays that kind of politics very well. ?Working for Families, interest-free student loans, and now offering everybody $200 a week are some recent examples. ? Read more »

Hey Jacinda, the debate is over, why carry on?

Jacinda Ardern is showing this morning, in the Sunday Star-Times, just what a vacuous fool she is.

She has decided to expend her bi-weekly column on wondering why the chooldrin weren’t allowed a say in the flag debate. As well as making a push, on behalf of Labour, to find some impressionable (and foolish) minds to add to the voter pool.

Young Kiwis’s attitude to the flag-change debate suggests it could be time to consider lowering the voting age.

In the choice between what looked like a clip art logo for a paper plates company in an industrial zone, and an antiquated symbol of our connection to the British Empire, we opted for the status quo. It’s hard to feel much enthusiasm for the flag situation, and that’s before you attach a $26 million price tag.

Should we have embarked on the exercise? Yes. Absolutely. But why wasn’t it part of the constitutional review the Government undertook as part of its agreement with the Maori Party, or in other words, part of a conversation about what New Zealand’s future might look like? The role of the monarchy? The treaty? Surely that’s the difference between a flag that is a national symbol, and one that’s a logo.

This whole process has been painful to watch, especially when you think about all of the things we could have done with the money instead. And voters weren’t the only ones thinking that.

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Woman, old enough to vote, wants people as young as 16 to vote as well


Lizzie Marvelly, 26, 2nd from left – via Stuff

In 2014, the National Party won 47 per cent of the vote, a solid showing that paved the way for a third term. As a result, the Government often claims it has a mandate to do as it sees fit – which is a compelling argument until you realise only 72 per cent of eligible voters actually cast a vote.

More than a quarter of New Zealanders of voting age did not vote to give the Government a mandate.

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Winston has a very good point

Winston Peters makes?a good point.

Currently, to be eligible to enrol with the Electoral Commission, a person must be a permanent resident or a citizen.

But New Zealand First MP Winston Peters said only citizens should have the right to vote on the future of the flag.

“If you want to have a say in a flag, surely your belief is that you want to be, seriously, part of the country and make a commitment to it.

“It’s that lack of entitlement that we’re talking about that should not entitle them to have a vote.”

No other country allowed non-citizens to make a decision about their national identity and it should not happen here, he said.

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Agreeing with Chris Trotter about online voting

There are plenty of fools out there who think that electronic voting is nirvana, that it will engage the yoof to vote and increase participation in our democracy.

I disagree, and so does Chris Trotter. Electronic voting won’t deliver what proponents say it will, in fact it is likely to increase distrust in the voting process.

There are already conspiracy theorists out there who think John Key rigs ballot boxes, imagine if there was electronic voting, you’d ahve accusations of Merril Lynch funding the software company from the time of John Key’s involvement and therefore the process must be corrupt.

DEREK HANDLEY bubbles over with faith in the future. As a precocious inductee to the Silicon Alley Hall of Fame, he is blazingly confident that capitalism, information technology and the entrepreneurial spirit are never going to encounter a challenge they cannot rise to ? or overcome.

Like the failure of close to half of New Zealand citizens aged under 30 to engage in the electoral process.

On this subject Mr Handley is typically forthright:

?Everybody under 30 has grown up with the internet and mobile devices to do practically everything online yet they still can?t vote online. [This has resulted] in an entire generation being pushed to the sidelines of democracy not because they don?t care, but because it hasn?t kept up with them.?

Setting aside Mr Handley?s bubbly confidence in all things ?online?, this is utter tosh. An ?entire generation? has not been ?pushed to the sidelines of democracy?, they have ambled there entirely of their own accord. Not only do they not ?care? about democracy, but an alarming number of them would also struggle to tell you what it is.

In my opinion Derek Handley is a jumped up pretentious tosspot. My dearly departed grandfather once commented (ok it was a lot) that empty vessels make the most noise. This is Derek Handley.

Trotter is dead right about the dead set useless yoof who let themselves become disengaged in democracy.

Far from democracy failing to keep up with the needs of the younger generation, one out of every two New Zealanders under 30 has failed conspicuously to keep up with the most fundamental facts of political life.

The most important of these is that politics (and elections) are activities to be participated in collectively ? not individually. The moment this central fact of political life is forgotten, the logic of participation collapses in on itself.

A recent article by Fairfax journalists Paul Easton and Simon Day vividly illustrates what happens when the prospect of casting a vote is viewed through an individualistic, as opposed to a collectivist, lens.

Asked why he didn?t vote, Johnny, aged 20, and described simply as ?dad?, declared:

?I didn?t see the point. My life is good as it is. I don?t like John Key, but I thought he was going to get in anyway so I didn?t vote. I would vote if it meant getting stuff I was keen for.?

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